http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/ nl http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2012/09/reconstructie-air-france-vlucht-af447.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--1188.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="1188" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * 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'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:40:05 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 1188 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2011/10/san-francisco-sfo-parijs-cdg-2-minuten.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--1094.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="1094" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--node-post-date.html.twig * field--ds.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-node-post-date field--type-ds field--label-hidden field--item">31/10/2011</div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--body--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--body.html.twig * field--default--body--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--body.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--body--story.html.twig * field--node--body.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--body.html.twig * field--text-with-summary.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><strong>2500 foto's </strong>aan elkaar geplakt vanuit een passagierszetel tussen San Francisco en Parijs met Air France.</p> <p><iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/21822029?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0&amp;color=80ceff" width="580" height="326" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen="" allowfullscreen=""></iframe></p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--default--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--field-labels.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--field-labels.html.twig * field--entity-reference.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-field-labels field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/air-france" hreflang="nl">Air France</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/luchtvaart" hreflang="nl">luchtvaart</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=1094&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="YCoY_dzZhssu6VqldHOxQJZSn3p3THX60U9rvkh-kNU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:42:18 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 1094 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2011/06/fout-van-de-piloten-de-af447-crash.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--1048.html.twig * 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field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Na het <a target="_blank" href="http://atwonline.com/operations/investigators-recover-missing-memory-module-air-france-flight-447">vinden van de 'zwart doos'</a> van de verongelukte A330 van Air France bijna <strong>2 jaar na het ongeluk</strong> en het<a target="_blank" href="http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/point.enquete.af447.27mai2011.fr.pdf"> vrijgeven van een (zeer beperkt) deel van de cockpit gesprekken en vluchtgegevens</a> door het <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bea.aero/en/enquetes/flight.af.447/flight.af.447.php">Franse BEA dat het onderzoek voert</a>, laait de discussie opnieuw op over de <strong>oorzaken van deze crash</strong>.</p> <p><img alt="AF447 black box" width="626" height="361" src="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/AF447_black-box.jpg" /></p> <p>Een deel van de punten uit <a href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/06/mogelijke-oorzaak-crash-air-france.html">mijn eerdere analyse</a> werden intussen opgeklaard:</p> <ul><li>De bemanning was zich bewust van het <strong>slechte weer</strong> en probeerde er omheen te vliegen (geen probleem dus met de weer-radar)</li> <li>De <strong>boordcommandant</strong> was in een gereglementeerde rustperiode en was in het begin niet in de cockpit. Beide co-piloten zaten vooraan, de co-piloot die rechts zat was "Pilot Flying" (PF), de andere "Pilot Non Flying" (PNF).</li> <li><strong>Ijsvorming aan de pitot tubes</strong> ligt aan de <strong>oorzaak van de problemen met de snelheidsmeters</strong>, waardoor o.a. de automatische piloot het opgeeft. Maar dit op zich is geen reden om neer te storten.</li> </ul><p>Wat er daarna gebeurt is al iets duidelijker maar gezien de <strong>zeer beperkte vrijgegeven informatie</strong> door de BEA, is het nog veel te onvolledig om nu al definitieve conclusies te gaan trekken. Voor sommigen gaat het duidelijk over een fout van de piloot (PF), maar zover wil ik nu nog niet gaan...</p> <p><strong>FEITEN</strong></p> <p>Wat weten we intussen meer?</p> <ul><li>Tien minuten nadat de captain is gaan rusten, we zitten intussen al iets meer dan 2u in de lucht, <strong>vallen de automatische piloot en automatische stuwkracht uit</strong>. Hierdoor verhoogt de stuwkracht van de motoren automatisch met enkele percenten tot de maximale "klim"-stuwkracht.<br />De 'stall' (overtrek) waarschuwing gaat af en de gemeten snelheid zakt abrupt tot amper 60 knopen.</li> <li>Het vliegtuig (FL350) <strong>begint (snel) te stijgen</strong> maar de bemanning lijkt dit te kunnen stabileren rond FL375 (na ongeveer 45 seconden). De co-piloten proberen de boordcommandant te bereiken.</li> <li>Enkele seconden later gaat opnieuw de "stall warning" af en ditmaal zet de PF de <strong>stuwkracht van de motoren op maximaal</strong> (TOGA) en <strong>trekt de neus van het vliegtuig omhoog</strong>, en blijft deze pitch-up positie behouden.</li> <li>De neus van het vliegtuig bereikt 40°, de verticale snelheid wordt (negatief) -10.000ft/minuut, m.a.w. het vliegtuig daalt snel in overtrokken toestand. De captain is intussen terug in de cockpit.</li> <li>Twee minuten na het begin van de problemen, brengt men de <strong>stuwkracht van de motoren naar een minimum</strong> (IDLE) en <strong>wordt de neus iets naar beneden gebracht</strong>.</li> <li>1,5 later minuut passeert men FL100 (3300m hoogte) met nog steeds een pitch-up van 35°</li> <li>Nog één minuut later crasht het toestel op de oceaan. De laatst gemeten info was een verticale snelheid van -10.912ft/min, 16° pitch-up en snelheid van amper 107 knopen.<br />De Airbus A330 is, zoals <a target="_blank" href="http://canadagboek.blogspot.com/2011/05/af447.html">Lode</a> het schreef, letterlijk vertikaal uit de lucht gevallen en tegen 200 km/h te pletter gestort.</li> </ul><p><strong>PILOT ERROR?</strong></p> <p>Als je dit leest lijkt het erop dat de <strong>bemanning</strong> (toch zeker in het begin) <strong>verkeerd reageert bij het overtrekken</strong> (stall) van het vliegtuig. Door het omhoog brengen van de neus (en het pitch-up effect van de motoren), wordt de stall enkel maar versterkt. De correcte reactie is eerst de neus naar beneden brengen, en ev. nadien de stuwkracht van de motoren verhogen om snel terug (aerodynamische) snelheid te maken.</p> <p>M.a.w. vanuit het standpunt van elke piloot is <strong>hun reactie moeilijk begrijpbaar</strong>... <br />Er is <strong>meer aan de hand</strong>, want de vliegtuigen van tegenwoordig zijn heel complexe staaltjes van technologie.</p> <p><strong>BIJKOMENDE AANWIJZINGEN</strong><br /><br />In het <a href="http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/point.enquete.af447.27mai2011.fr.pdf">voorlopige BEA rapport</a> licht men (denk ik) een (bijkomend) tipje van het ontbrekende puzzelstuk op...</p> <ol><li><strong>Er <u>ontbreken</u> heel wat <u>belangrijkste periodes</u> tijdens deze laatste 3 minuten. Alsook heel wat <u>gesprekken</u> tussen de piloten.</strong><br />Ik kan me moeilijk inbeelden dat er onderling niet meer gesproken werd, of dat de boordcommandant geen insctructies geeft als hij de cockpit binnenkomt.<br />Heel wat technische details ontbreken, niet alles is helemaal waarheidsgetrouw of chronologisch weergegeven en bepaalde passages leiden tot 'veronderstellingen' of verwarring.<br />'k Ben ook benieuwd naar hoe de <a target="_blank" href="https://lvb.net/item/7530">automatisch verzonden ACARS berichten</a> passen in het geheel.</li> <li>BEA rapport : <strong>A 2 h 12 min 02, le PF dit "<u><em>je n’ai plus aucune indication</em></u>", et le PNF "<u><em>on n’a aucune indication qui soit valable</em></u>". </strong> en wat later <strong>A 2 h 13 min 32, le PF dit "on va arriver au niveau cent". Environ quinze secondes plus tard, <u><em>des actions simultanées des deux pilotes sur les mini-manches</em></u> sont enregistrées et le PF dit "<u><em>vas-y tu as les commandes</em></u>"</strong>. <br />Werkten er meer instrumenten niet meer naar behoren, buiten de snelheidsmeter(s)! Kreeg men ook verkeerde informatie op de 'primary flight displays' (PFD) zoals de horizon, verticale snelheid, edm?<br />De PF zat rechts en bestuurt het vliegtuig, maar blijkbaar bewaart de zwarte doos enkel de getoonde gegevens van de instrumenten van de linker stoel en die van de standby-instrumenten. Zag iedereen hetzelfde? Werkten de joysticks en flightcontrols van de linker co-piloot naar behoren?<br />Een nadeel van de Airbus-joysticks is dat er geen "feedback" is zodat de piloten van elkaar moeilijk kunnen 'zien' hoe ze juist sturen. Heeft dit tot (bijkomende) verwarring geleid?<br />Of waren er bijkomende technische problemen? Bv. (auto)trim, zwaartepunt vliegtuig,...? </li> <li>BEA schrijft ook nog : "<strong>L’incidence, <u><em>lorsqu’elle est valide</em></u>, reste toujours supérieure à 35 degrés</strong>".<br />Heeft de BEA twijfels over de betrouwbaarheid en juistheid van de geregistreerde gegevens van de zwarte doos?!<br />Welke data wordt aan de piloten getoond en welke data wordt opgenomen in de data recorder? Zijn dit steeds dezelfde? De extreme omstandigheden zorgden misschien niet voor een correcte weergave van de data.</li> </ol><p>Het <strong>laatste woord</strong> is duidelijk <a target="_blank" href="http://www.securiteaerienne.com/air-france-447-faut-il-tirer-sur-le-copilote/">nog niet gezegd</a> over <a target="_blank" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vol_447_Air_France">deze crash</a>.</p> <p>Een <strong>menselijke fout</strong> zal het ook altijd zijn... En waarschijnlijk zal de <strong>verantwoordelijkheid verdeeld</strong> zijn tussen de constructeur (Airbus en onderaannemers), de operator (Air France) en de bemanning.</p> <p>De <strong>volledige schuld bij de piloten</strong> leggen is al te gemakkelijk. Maar vermits niemand de crash overleefd heeft, is dat wel de gemakkelijkste oplossing...</p> <p>De toekomst en het eindrapport van de BEA zal het uitmaken. 'k Ben in ieder geval benieuwd.</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--default--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--field-labels.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--field-labels.html.twig * field--entity-reference.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-field-labels field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/vliegles" hreflang="nl">vliegles</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/piloot" hreflang="nl">piloot</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/airbus" hreflang="nl">Airbus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/air-france" hreflang="nl">Air France</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/af447" hreflang="nl">AF447</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/a330" hreflang="nl">A330</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Comments</h2> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1475" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1307576635"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lode Roels</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 9/06/2011</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1475#comment-1475" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Tragisch</a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tragisch verhaal met vele laagjes. Hopelijk weten we ooit het hele relaas, al was het maar om de familie (ook die van de piloten) 'closure' te geven en te leren voor de toekomst ...</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'pager' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=1048&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="2Qq1c9LswKXYqcoOecORBaNgH9-PZsWWjcnjp_vq2Ag"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:41:24 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 1048 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2010/08/onderzoek-naar-air-france-af447-crash.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--917.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="917" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--node-post-date.html.twig * field--ds.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-node-post-date field--type-ds field--label-hidden field--item">26/08/2010</div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--body--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--body.html.twig * field--default--body--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--body.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--body--story.html.twig * field--node--body.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--body.html.twig * field--text-with-summary.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hieronder een <strong>6-delige interessante documentaire</strong> over de <a href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/06/mogelijke-oorzaak-crash-air-france-af447.html">mogelijke oorzaken</a> van Air France (vlucht AF447) crash <strong>tussen Rio de Janeiro en Parijs</strong> van een dik jaar geleden.</p> <p><object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pqZZlyGmgbE?fs=1&amp;hl=nl_NL" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pqZZlyGmgbE?fs=1&amp;hl=nl_NL" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object><object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wirrv7Xt4Uc?fs=1&amp;hl=nl_NL" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wirrv7Xt4Uc?fs=1&amp;hl=nl_NL" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object><object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/jbKGUDn-JUo?fs=1&amp;hl=nl_NL" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param 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allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object><object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SHnADirdRr4?fs=1&amp;hl=nl_NL" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SHnADirdRr4?fs=1&amp;hl=nl_NL" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object></p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--default--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--field-labels.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--field-labels.html.twig * field--entity-reference.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-field-labels field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/f-gzcp.html" hreflang="nl">F-GZCP</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/airbus" hreflang="nl">Airbus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/air-france" hreflang="nl">Air France</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/af447" hreflang="nl">AF447</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/a330" hreflang="nl">A330</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Comments</h2> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1369" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1282916843"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://askatasuna.be" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Goya</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 27/08/2010</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1369#comment-1369" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Vier minuten om 36.000 ft</a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vier minuten om 36.000 ft naar beneden te duiken, vreselijke minuten moeten dat geweest zijn voor de inzittenden.</p> <p>Als ik het goed begrijp duurt het bij het uitvallen van de autopilot vaak 60 seconden voor de piloten eraan "denken" de throttle manueel te controleren en bij te stellen. Is dat een gevolg van het quasi-volledig automatiseren van de vluchthandeling?</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1370" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1284028917"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Familie Pierseaux Zoutleeuw">Familie Pierse…</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 9/09/2010</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1370#comment-1370" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Oud-klasgenootje van Sara</a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hallo !<br /> Herinnert Sara zich Ellen nog van de school in Kumtich ? Ellen absoluut ! Sara was een van haar beste vriendinnetjes ! Ellen zou nu graag via mail contact opnemen met Sara. Willen jullie haar E-mail adres eventueel naar ons doorsturen ?<br /> Thanks !<br /> Familie Pierseaux</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <div class="indented"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="1" id="comment-1371" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1284062224"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" about="/blog/users/jan-ottenbourg" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jan Ottenbourg</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 9/09/2010</p> <p class="visually-hidden">Als antwoord op <a href="/blog/comment/1370#comment-1370" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Oud-klasgenootje van Sara</a> door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Familie Pierseaux Zoutleeuw">Familie Pierse…</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> </p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1371#comment-1371" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">RE: Oud-klasgenootje van Sara</a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dat is al lang geleden.... Sara herinnert zich Ellen niet zo direct meer.<br />Stuur gerust een foto op naar sara [AT] ottenbourg [DOT] com</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> </div> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'pager' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=917&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="EosmpBdwZgK6IhPIq0NxLmkJgZWrky5mRfjRXiE7m-c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:24:40 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 917 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2010/05/linkdump.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--878.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="878" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--node-post-date.html.twig * field--ds.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-node-post-date field--type-ds field--label-hidden field--item">20/05/2010</div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--body--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--body.html.twig * field--default--body--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--body.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--body--story.html.twig * field--node--body.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--body.html.twig * field--text-with-summary.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><ul><li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.express.be/sectors/nl/logistics/veiligheid-air-france-vergelijkbaar-met-ethiopian-airlines-en-air-moldova.htm">'Veiligheid bij Air France vergelijkbaar met Ethiopian Airlines en Air Moldova'</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2010/05/19/air-france-est-statistiquement-moins-sure-que-ses-concurrents_1353892_3224.html">Air France est statistiquement "moins sûre que ses concurrents"</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.securvol.fr/barometre.php">Liste noire des Compagnie Aériennes</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.planecrashinfo.com/worst100.htm">100 Worst Aviation Disasters</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="https://www.businesstraveller.com/news/airbus-a380-the-layouts">Airbus A380: the layouts</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/2010/05/17/mits-proposed-jet-could-cut-fuel-use-by-70-percent/">MIT's proposed jet could cut fuel use by 70 percent</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.tahitipresse.pf/2010/05/menace-de-greve-a-air-tahiti-nui/">Menace de grève à Air Tahiti Nui</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="https://nos.nl/artikel/155450-piloten-reageerden-niet-goed.html">Turkse piloten reageerden niet goed</a></li> <li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.securiteaerienne.com/vol-8u-771-afriqiyah-a-tripoli-options-disponibles-et-nouvelles-images/">Vol 8U-771: Afriqiyah A330 crashed a Tripoli</a></li> </ul></div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--default--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--field-labels.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--field-labels.html.twig * field--entity-reference.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-field-labels field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/piloot" hreflang="nl">piloot</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/atn" hreflang="nl">ATN</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/air-france" hreflang="nl">Air France</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/a380" hreflang="nl">A380</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/a330" hreflang="nl">A330</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=878&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="H6biWkNMq-6HXvE8olfyZ0d-uISo9zcUY7g3j27_g1k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Thu, 20 May 2010 18:26:25 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 878 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/11/linkdump.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--824.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="824" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--node-post-date.html.twig * field--ds.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-node-post-date field--type-ds field--label-hidden field--item">14/11/2009</div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--body--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--body.html.twig * field--default--body--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--body.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--body--story.html.twig * field--node--body.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--body.html.twig * field--text-with-summary.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><ul><li><a href="http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20091020_031" target="_blank">Jommeke-tekenaar Jef Nys overleden</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.4musketiers.be/2009/10/shii-de-wii-voor-vrouwen.html" target="_blank">Shii: De Wii voor vrouwen</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.slate.fr/story/12015/deux-pilotes-americains-depassent-laeroport-ou-ils-devaient-atterrir-de-240km" target="_blank">Deux pilotes américains dépassent l'aéroport où ils devaient atterrir de 240km</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/" target="_blank">"Verstrooide" piloten missen luchthaven</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites-societe/2009-10-24/document-lepoint-fr-la-lettre-envoyee-par-air-france-a-ces/920/0/388798" target="_blank">La lettre envoyée par Air France à ces pilotes</a></li> <li><a href="http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=18361" target="_blank">Jetstar A330 suffers possible pitot tube malfunction</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.tahitipresse.pf/2009/11/honotua-la-pose-du-cable-haut-debit-debutera-le-24-novembre/" target="_blank">Honotua : la pose du câble haut-débit débutera le 24 novembre</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.standaard.be/cnt/20091112109998" target="_blank">Tien tips voor betere Facebook-privacy</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.gva.be/cnt/eid46435/extern-sabena-herdenken-met-dvd" target="_blank">Sabena herdenken met dvd</a></li> </ul></div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--default--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--field-labels.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--field-labels.html.twig * field--entity-reference.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-field-labels field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/sabena" hreflang="nl">Sabena</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/piloot" hreflang="nl">piloot</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/facebook" hreflang="nl">Facebook</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/air-france" hreflang="nl">Air France</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/af447" hreflang="nl">AF447</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/a330" hreflang="nl">A330</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=824&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="9VYuvgAITErFo5lD-Ytpc09Hge4xOJ8ixzx99v9PnoA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:56:00 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 824 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/10/linkdump.html-0 <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--812.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="812" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--node-post-date.html.twig * field--ds.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-node-post-date field--type-ds field--label-hidden field--item">3/10/2009</div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--body--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--body.html.twig * field--default--body--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--body.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--body--story.html.twig * field--node--body.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--body.html.twig * field--text-with-summary.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><ul><li><a href="http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/binnenland/Gerecht_bekijkt_rol_De_Tandt_in_Sabena-dossier__.8227591-438.art" target="_blank">Gerecht bekijkt rol De Tandt bij Sabena</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.lalibre.be/actu/international/airbus-vers-la-fin-des-boites-noires-51b8af2ee4b0de6db9b7f5bd" target="_blank">Airbus: vers la fin des boîtes noires?</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.rnw.org/rnw-media-history" target="_blank">Per schip Charles Darwin achterna</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.midomi.com/" target="_blank">Search for Music Using Your Voice by Singing or Humming</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214729/James-May-size-Lego-house-wants.html" target="_blank">James May and his full-size Lego house nobody wants</a></li> <li><a href="http://datanews.knack.be/nl/90-5-26229/article.html?cid=rss" target="_blank">Ook Proximus komt met prepaid-internetformule</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2009/10/04/01016-20091004ARTFIG00035-le-crash-du-rio-paris-aurait-pu-etre-evite-.php" target="_blank">«Le crash du Rio-Paris aurait pu être évité»</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.wired.com/2009/09/cultural-evolution/" target="_blank">Do Polynesian Canoes Evolve Like Finch Beaks?</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.ladepeche.pf/article/faits-divers-justice/flosse-poursuivi-pour-corruption-passive" target="_blank">Flosse poursuivi pour corruption passive</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.lesnouvelles.pf/fenua/justice/4243-gaston-flosse-mis-en-examen.html" target="_blank">Gaston Flosse mis en examen</a></li> </ul></div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--default--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--field-labels.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * field--node--field-labels.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--field-labels.html.twig * field--entity-reference.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-field-labels field--type-entity-reference field--label-hidden field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/sabena" hreflang="nl">Sabena</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/muziek" hreflang="nl">muziek</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/lego" hreflang="nl">lego</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/internet" hreflang="nl">internet</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/expat" hreflang="nl">expat</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/darwin" hreflang="nl">Darwin</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/airbus" hreflang="nl">Airbus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/air-france" hreflang="nl">Air France</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/af447" hreflang="nl">AF447</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=812&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="OXtcqUjjrzccwrLYCohDdkExFA7cHjlaoZy9XDkYNpw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:40:00 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 812 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/07/mogelijke-oorzaak-crash-air-france-af447-deel-2.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--789.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="789" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--node-post-date.html.twig * field--ds.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-node-post-date field--type-ds field--label-hidden field--item">3/07/2009</div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--body--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--body.html.twig * field--default--body--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--body.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--body--story.html.twig * field--node--body.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--body.html.twig * field--text-with-summary.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Een eerste <a href="http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/vol.af.447.php" target="_blank">tussentijdse rapport</a> van de <a href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/06/mogelijke-oorzaak-crash-air-france.html" target="_blank">AFR447 crash</a> is beschikbaar in PDF (<a href="http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/f-cp090601e1/pdf/f-cp090601e1.pdf" target="_blank">FR</a> - <a href="http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/f-cp090601e1.en/pdf/f-cp090601e1.en.pdf" target="_blank">EN</a>) op de website van het Franse <a href="http://www.bea.aero/index.php" target="_blank">BEA</a>.</p> <p>Volgens Alain Bouillard, hoofd van het Franse onderzoeksteam, verloopt het <b>onderzoek moeilijk</b> en is het nog <b>veel te vroeg om conclusies</b> te trekken...</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LCPoYS6Rh8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LCPoYS6Rh8</a></p> <p>Wat is nu officieel (<a href="http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/rapports.faits.etablis.af447.fr.pdf" target="_blank">faits établis</a>): </p><ul><li>De bemanning was gekwalificeerd, had recente ervaring. Het vliegtuig was in perfecte staat bij het vertrek. Er was onweer en turbulentie voorzien in the <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertropische_convergentiezone" target="_blank">ITCZ</a>-gebied.</li> <li>De <b>problemen met de pitot tubes</b> (waarschijnlijk door ijsvorming) zijn "<i><b>a factor but not the cause</b></i>" ("<i>C'est un des éléments mais ce n'est pas la cause</i>").<br />Dit op basis van de verschillende <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Communications_Addressing_and_Reporting_System" target="_blank">ACARS</a> berichten die automatisch door het vliegtuig werden verstuurd naar de onderhoudsafdeling van Air France ("<i>Il ressort de ces messages une incohérence des vitesses mesurées ainsi que les conséquences associées.</i>"</li> <li>Met deze ACARS berichten moet echter voorzichtig worden omgesprongen om volgende redenen: <ul><li>Deze berichten worden <b>maar één keer verstuurd bij het eerste voorval</b>! Nadien is er geen bericht meer voor een 2de voorval of als het probleem is opgelost ("<i>un tel message n’est émis qu’une fois, à la première occurrence. Il ne peut indiquer que l’apparition d’une anomalie. Si l’anomalie disparaît, aucun message n’en fait état</i>")</li> <li><b>Bepaalde alarmen</b> (o.a. stall!) worden niet geregistreerd en dus ook niet verstuurd ("<i>certaines alarmes ayant trait à la configuration de l’avion telles que les alarmes de décrochage ou de survitesse ne sont pas enregistrées</i>")</li> <li>De <b>volgorde van de verzonden berichten</b> is niet noodzakelijk in de juiste chronologische volgorde ("l’ordre de transmission de ces messages ne correspond pas nécessairement à la succession des événements associés"). Er kan trouwens tot één minuut verschil opzitten ("<i>la datation des messages par le CMC est précise à une minute près</i>")</li> </ul></li> <li>Sinds 6 juni zijn er <b>51 lijken</b> en <b>meer dan 640 onderdelen</b> van het vliegtuig teruggevonden in de Atlantische Oceaan tussen Rio en Parijs. Uit analyse daarvan blijkt er geen sprake van brand of ontploffing ("<i>aucun indice d’incendie ou d’explosion n’a été mis en évidence</i>") en is het vliegtuig volgens de onderzoekers <b>uiteengespat toen het het water raakte</b> ("<i>Il paraît avoir heurté la surface de l’eau <b>en ligne de vol</b>, avec <b>une forte accélération verticale</b></i>").</li> <li>De zwarte dozen zijn nog steeds niet teruggevonden. De Braziliaanse reddingswerkers zijn al gestopt met zoeken, de <b>Fransen blijven nog tot 10 juli zoeken</b>....naar alle waarschijnlijkheid zullen de "black boxes" dan ook nooit gevonden worden. Helaas.</li> </ul><p>Iets minder "officieel": </p><ul><li>Uit de meteorologische analyse (door <a href="http://www.meteofrance.com" target="_blank">Météo France</a> op basis van automatische foto's door de <a href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baan_(hemellichaam)" target="_blank">geostationaire</a> satelliet <a href="https://www.eumetsat.int/Home/Main/Media/Features/710838" target="_blank">Meteosat 9</a>) haal ik echter een interessant zinnetje: "<i>La présence d’une activité électrique significative au niveau de vol est possible, mais <b>la présence d’eau surfondue au FL350 est peu probable</b> et aurait nécessairement été limitée à de faibles quantités.</i>" Dan toch geen ijsvorming in de pitot buizen??</li> <li><a href="http://www.eurocockpit.com/archives/indiv/E009451.php" target="_blank">Al jaren </a>heeft men (Air France, Airbus) blijkbaar weet van 'problemen' met de pitot tubes ("<i>Sur A330 / A340, il y a eu 35 incidents liés à ce problème de sondes Pitot, dont 9 cette année, et 6 à Air France</i>"), wat meermaals leidde tot verkeerde snelheidsmetingen, allerhande alarmen en noodlandingen (ook bij Air Tahiti Nui).<br />OK maar... <a href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/06/mogelijke-oorzaak-crash-air-france.html">zoals gezegd</a> hoeft dit <b>niet dé reden</b> te zijn om neer te storten. Zelfs niet om het toestel "onveilig" te noemen.</li> <li>Trouwens, meer (technische) details en uitleg over de verschillende <b>ACARS berichten </b>vind je op <a href="http://www.eurocockpit.com/archives/indiv/E009454.php" target="_blank">Eurocockpit.com</a><br />P.S. Hou wel rekening met mijn opmerkingen hierboven o.a. over de volgorde berichten en de (niet)herhaling van alarmen in deze berichten.</li> <li>Het laatste <b>contact met het vliegtuig</b> is er geweest om 01u35 (positie INTOL). Er gebeurt geen (automatische) "transfer" van de vlucht tussen de controleurs van ATLANTICO (Brazilië) en DAKAR (Senegal). Waarom wordt er dan <a href="http://joesharkeyat.blogspot.com/2009/07/air-france-flight-447-5-ws.html" target="_blank">pas rond 8u-8u30</a> <a href="http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=17122" target="_blank">alarm geblazen</a>??</li> <li>Werden piloten <b>dan toch</b> <a href="http://datanews.knack.be/nl/90-6-24793/article.html?cid=rss" target="_blank">overweldigd</a> door de combinatie van turbulentie, blikseminslag, nachtvlucht, vermoeidheid, vele tegenstrijdige alarmen, procedures en checklists, manueel vliegen,... en daaruit volgend te snel of te traag gevlogen hebben (stall) en om die reden de controle verloren en neergestort (<a href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/06/mogelijke-oorzaak-crash-air-france.html">zoals ik eerder al aangaf</a>)?!</li> </ul></div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--field-labels--story.html.twig * 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hreflang="nl">A330</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Comments</h2> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1218" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1246793817"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Fly November</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 5/07/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1218#comment-1218" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Jan,Met jouw permissie verwijs ik naar </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * 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class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1246843101"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/13826625973744873915" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jan Ottenbourg</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 6/07/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1219#comment-1219" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Tuurlijk Lode, geen </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tuurlijk Lode, geen probleem.</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'pager' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=789&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="TTk_OgpU67vxWIk8mnD576KYeVTkNwi5XHxvKJaiu9c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:04:00 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 789 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog/2009/06/mogelijke-oorzaak-crash-air-france-af447.html <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'ds_entity_view' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'layout__onecol' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout-onecol--node--780.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-story.html.twig * layout-onecol--node-fulltext.html.twig * layout-onecol--node.html.twig x layout--onecol.html.twig * layout.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <div data-history-node-id="780" class="layout layout--onecol"> <div class="layout__region layout__region--content"> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--node-post-date.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date--story.html.twig * field--node--node-post-date.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--node-post-date.html.twig * field--ds.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-node-post-date field--type-ds field--label-hidden field--item">9/06/2009</div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--body--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--body.html.twig * field--default--body--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--body.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--body--story.html.twig * field--node--body.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--body.html.twig * field--text-with-summary.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>De recente <b>crash</b> van de <a target="_blank" href="http://www.airbus.com/">Airbus</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.airbus.com">A330-200</a> van <a target="_blank" href="http://www.airfrance.com/indexCOM.html">Air France</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.airfrance447.com/">AF447</a> is weer een <b>zware klap</b> voor de luchtvaart. Vermits ik zelf ook op Airbus <a target="_blank" href="http://www.airbus.com">A340</a> (tweeling-broer van de A330 met heel wat gelijkenissen) <a target="_blank" href="https://www.airtahitinui.com/">vlieg</a>, en bij Sabena ook op A330, volg ik het natuurlijk <b>van heel dichtbij</b>.<br /><br /><img alt="photo credit: Garret Lockhart/Houstonspotters.net" src="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/F-GZCP.jpg" /><br /><br />De berging van de wrakstukken <strike>wordt</strike> is moeilijk, maar over de <b>mogelijke oorzaak</b> wordt er al heel wat gespeculeerd (in de pers, onder piloten). Zelf geloof ik op dit ogenblik (nog) niet in een <a target="_blank" href="http://blog.johnbaeyens.com/2009/06/air-france-crash-airbus-cover-up/">doofpot operatie</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://lvb.net/item/7527">sabotage</a> of <a target="_blank" href="https://www.rt.com/Top_News/Did_global_warming_help_bring_down_Air_France_flight_447.html/?fullstory">lucht</a>. Een <b>ongeluk</b> is meestal een <b>combinatie van verschillende facturen</b>. Er is dus meer aan de hand...<br /><br />Hopelijk worden de <b>zwarte dozen</b> (<a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_data_recorder">Flight Data Recorders</a>) (intact) gevonden (en zijn ze bruikbaar), zodat we zekerheid krijgen over wat er <b>exact is gebeurd</b> en wie/wat/waar het fout is gegaan. Het <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol.af.447/vol.af.447.php">onderzoek</a> (door het Franse <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bea.aero/index.php">Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses, BEA</a>) belooft lang te duren en het uiteindelijke <b>officiële rapport</b> kan echter nog maanden (of jaren) op zich laten wachten.<br /><br />Vergeet niet dat er bij ongelukken zoals deze, alles, maar dan ook alles <b>tot in de kleinste details </b>zal worden onderzocht en (her)bekeken... Elk onderdeel van het toestel dat mogelijk iets te maken heeft met de crash zal apart worden onderzocht en getest in extreme omstandigheden, er volgt een compleet onderzoek naar het onderhoud van het vliegtuig én de gevolgde procedures, de vluchtvoorbereiding van de bemanning (meteo, brandstof, route, beslissingen) zullen grondig worden geëvalueerd... en ook de ervaring en training van de piloten, de genomen rust, hun leef/eet/drinkgewoontes, edm. zullen worden bekeken! <b>Niets zal aan het toeval worden overgelaten</b>.<br /><br /><b>FEITEN</b></p> <ul><li>Airbus A330-203 van Air France, registratie <a target="_blank" href="http://www.airliners.net/search">F-GZCP</a> met 2 General Electric CF6-80E1A3 motoren. Serienummer (MSN) 660, eerste vlucht in 2005. Het toestel had ongeveer 18.800 vlieguren op zijn actief.</li> <li>Er waren <a target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ivVDjTJVI2MS4XLtSrZJsTvDmeYAD98JN6800">216 passagiers</a> aan boord, 3 piloten en 9 cabine personeelsleden.</li> <li>Internationale commerciële vlucht (AFR447) van Rio de Janeiro-Galeao International Airport (GIG) naar Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport (CDG).</li> <li>Laatste radiocontact was om 01u33 UTC met Atlantic Area Control Centre (CINDACTA III) over positie INTOL op FL350, geschatte positie TASIL om 02u20 UTC.</li> <li><span style="font-weight:bold;">Typische onstabiele atmosferische condities met zwaar onweer en turbulentie</span> was voorzien in de <a target="_blank" href="https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertropische_convergentiezone">intertropische convergentiezone</a> (ITCZ).</li> <li>Heel wat automatische <a target="_blank" href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/acars_AFR447.png">ACARS maintenance</a> berichten werden verstuurd tussen 02u00 en 02u14 o.a. <b>AUTOPILOT OFF, AUTOTHRUST OFF, FLAGS op PRIMARY FLIGHT DATA instrumenten, ALTENATE LAW, PRIM 1 FAULT, SEC 1 FAULT, RUDDER TRAVEL LIMITER FAULT en NAV ADR DISAGREE</b>!</li> <li>Na 5 dagen werden de <a target="_blank" href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/05/world/20090605-airbus.html">eerste lichamen</a> gevonden, alsook het <a target="_blank" href="http://www.securiteaerienne.com/air-france-447-etat-des-recherches/">richtingsroer</a> (rudder) van het toestel.</li> </ul><p><img alt="Air France AF447 richtingsroer rudder" src="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/AF447_rudder.jpg" /><br /><br /><b>SPECULATIES, VRAGEN &amp; ANALYSE</b><br /><br />METEO</p> <ul><li>Het <b>ruige weer</b> (turbulentie, onweer en bliksem) hebben waarschijnlijk <b>een zekere rol </b>gespeeld, maar het is zeer onwaarschijnlijk dat het vliegtuig zomaar werd "neergebliksemd" (ontploft of complete electrische panne) of door extreme turbulentie "in stukken is gebroken".<br />Enerzijds zijn er vliegtuigen rond dezelfde periode in dezelfde buurt gepasseerd, zonder noemenswaardige problemen, anderzijds gaven de automatische ACARS bericht geen gewag van zware electrische problemen.</li> <li>Deze <a href="http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/">interessante analyse</a> van de route die AF 447 volgde, spreekt ook van de aanwezigheid van <b>onderkoelde regen en ijsvorming</b> in en rond de stormcellen.</li> </ul><p>COCKPIT</p> <ul><li>Vliegtuigen vliegen dagelijks <strike>door</strike> rond stormen en zwaar onweer. Dankzij een weer-radar in de cockpit wordt er rond deze gebieden heen gevlogen. Is AF447 toch recht een storm-cel ingevlogen? Omdat de <b>radar verkeerd werd afgesteld door de bemanning </b>waardoor er op het radar-scherm <b>geen echo te zien</b> was?</li> <li>Wie bestuurde het vliegtuig op het moment van de problemen? De <a target="_blank" href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090603/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane_pilots?ref=gs">boordcommandant</a> had 11.000u vliegervaring, maar de copiloten waren relatief "nieuw" op het toestel? Met 3 piloten aan boord en een lange vlucht is het de gewoonte dat er één iemand rust in de Crew Rest. <b>Was de boordcommandant in de cockpit tijdens het incident</b>?</li> </ul><p>TECHNISCH</p> <ul><li>In oktober 2008 was er nog een <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_72">incident</a> met een Airbus A330, waarbij de neus van het <a target="_blank" href="https://www.qantas.com/nl/en.html">Qantas</a> toestel <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_72">brutaal naar beneden</a> ging en 14 passagiers verwondde. Een <b>software-bug</b>, bleek later, in één van de <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADIRU">Air Data Inertial Reference Unit</a> (ADIRU) die o.a. instaan voor het doorgeven van gemeten data (snelheid, hoogte) aan de boordinstrumenten en automatische piloot. Is er <a target="_blank" href="http://www.booked.net/etravelblackboard.html?id=93043">iets gelijkaardig gebeurd bij AF447</a>?</li> <li>Na analyse van de automatische <a target="_blank" href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/acars_AFR447.png">ACARS</a>-berichten van de laatste 4 minuten van de vlucht blijkt dat er problemen waren met de opgemeten data, waarschijnlijk verstopte <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitot_tube">pitot tubes</a> (door icing?!).</li> <li>In 2004 publiceerde Airbus al een <a target="_blank" href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/FCOM3_bulletin811.pdf">FCOM bulletin 811/1</a> (PDF) in de officiële vluchthandboeken, om <b>crews attend te maken op onjuiste snelheids- en hoogtemetingen</b>.</li> <li>In geval van problemen met de snelheidsindicatie is er een Airbus procedure in onze QRH (<i>Quick Reference Handboek</i>) nl. <b>UNRELIABLE SPEED INDICATION</b> (zie <a target="_blank" href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/QRH_221.pdf">PDF</a>).</li> <li>In het geval er een aantal computers het begeven, bevindt het vliegtuig zich in een <b>gedegrade erde mode</b> (<span style="font-weight:bold;">ALTERNATE LAW</span>). Op deze manier kan er perfect veilig worden gevlogen, maar heel wat automatische "vangnetten" zijn niet meer beschikbaar (o.a. <b>bruuske en overdreven commando's</b> van de piloten op de hoogte- en richtingsroeren)</li> <li>Een <a target="_blank" href="http://www.eurocockpit.com/archives/indiv/E009426.php">bijna identiek voorval</a> op A330-200 is eind 2008 gebeurd bij <a target="_blank" href="https://www.aircaraibes.com/">Air Caraïbes</a>. Het zeer <a target="_blank" href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/ACA.pdf">uitgebreide technische verslag</a> (PDF) heeft het heel duidelijk over <b>ijsvorming op de pitot tubes en temperatuur-sondes</b> (TAT) die aan de basis lagen van dit incident.</li> <li>Bij <a target="_blank" href="https://www.airtahitinui.com/">Air Tahiti Nui</a> heb ik weet van 2 gelijkaardige evenementen in 2006 (in Japan) waarbij één of meerdere ADRs (Air Data Reference, deel van ADIRUs) het begaven dankzij turbulentie en ijsvorming op de sondes. De bemanning was genoodzaakt om <b>op standby instrumenten</b> te vliegen en keerde terug naar Tokyo.<br />Als gevolg hiervan, publiceerde Airbus trouwens in 2007 een nieuwe checklist <b>ADR 1+2+3 FAULT</b> (<a target="_blank" href="//www.ottenbourg.com/blog/uploaded_images/QRH_219.pdf">PDF</a>) in de QRH!<br />In 2007 was er ook nog een onderbroken opstijgmaneuver (<i>aborted takeoff</i>) omdat er een snelheidsverschil werd vastgesteld. Eén van de <b>pitot tubes zat verstopt met insecten/muggen</b>.</li> <li>Ook op Airbus <a target="_blank" href="http://www.airbus.com">A320</a> vliegtuigen, werden al problemen gemeld met ijsvorming op de sondes. In september 2007 raadde Airbus haar klanten aan om de <b>pitot tubes van de A320 te vervangen</b> door nieuwere modellen. Air France, net zoals de meeste luchtvaartmaatschappijen, deed dit niet op hun A330/A340-vloot, en <a target="_blank" href="http://alphasite.airfrance.com/s01/communiques-de-presse/#communique2640">trekt nu zijn paraplu open en schuift de hete appel door naar Airbus</a>.</li> <li>Air France (en vele anderen, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.tahitipresse.pf/index.cfm?snav=see&amp;presse=27783">ook ATN</a>) <a href="http://www.airfrance447.com/06/09/air-france-to-replace-speed-sensors/">vervangt nu toch snel</a> ('preventief') de "oudere pitot tube" modellen ook op A330 en A340 toestellen. Kwestie van de <b>publieke opinie</b> gerust te stellen.</li> <li>In het ergst geval (3 pitot tubes verstopt) is het nog altijd mogelijk om een<b> indicatie van snelheid en hoogte</b> te krijgen, dankzij de <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System">GPS</a>. Ik veronderstel dat deze ook op de A330s van Air France zijn geïnstalleerd.</li> </ul><p>KRACHT/SPANNING</p> <ul><li>Het <b>richtingsroer</b> dat gisteren werd teruggevonden ziet er nog redelijk intact uit. Een bomaanslag is dus uitgesloten, alsook een crash in het water. Het lijkt er eerder op dat het vliegtuig in vlucht <b>in stukken is gebroken</b>, waarschijnlijk door de extreme (aerodynamische) krachten op de roeren (<i>Flight controls</i>).<br />Misschien <a target="_blank" href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/1303226/">overcorrigeerde</a> (ALTERNATE LAW zonder protectie!) de bemanning ook zoals oa. in de crash van vlucht <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0404.htm">AA597</a> waarbij het richtingsroer helemaal afbrak en dit toestel crashte!</li> </ul><p><b>CONCLUSIE</b><br /><br />Wat er volgens mij is gebeurd: De A330 vliegt 's nachts door een storm.<b> Ijsvorming in de pitot tubes</b> (geheel of gedeeltelijk) zorgt voor <b>compleet verschillende gemeten snelheden</b>. De boordcomputers geraken hierdoor 'verward', stoten foutieve systemen/computers af (PRIM1, SEC1, ALTERNATE LAW tot gevolg) en geven de controle daarna uit handen (automatische piloot slaat af, flags op instrumenten) aan de piloten. Gelijktijdig gaan er natuurlijk ook heel wat <b>alarmen</b> af (o.a. '<i>stall</i>', 'speed disagree',...) die gelinkt zijn aan deze "gemeten" snelheden.<br /><br />Wat er daarna volgt is (nog) onbekend en (voorlopig) gegis... Heeft de bemanning deze <b>verkeerde snelheid</b> <i>toch</i> <b>voor waarheid genomen en intuïtief gevolgd</b> (tegenstrijdige alarmen, turbulentie, nachtvlucht, vermoeidheid, gebrek aan ervaring, stress, desoriëntatie), met waarschijnlijk een "stall" tot gevolg:</p> <ul><li>ofwel een "<i>low speed stall</i>" van het toestel door een te lage (aerodynamische) snelheid</li> <li>ofwel een "<i>high speed stall</i>" waarbij de maximale structurele snelheid van het vliegtuig werd bereikt</li> </ul><p>In het eerste geval valt het toestel al spinnend naar beneden, in het 2de geval breekt het in stukken.<br /><br />Hopelijk worden de <span style="font-weight:bold;">zwarte dozen</span> teruggevonden waardoor het onderzoek vooruit kan.<br />Voor piloten is het altijd <b>interessant</b> om <b>incidenten te analyseren</b> (wat kan er allemaal misgaan) en <b>conclusies</b> te trekken (wat is de <b>beste manier om te reageren</b> als mij hetzelfde zou overkomen).</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 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href="/blog/labels/atn" hreflang="nl">ATN</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/airbus" hreflang="nl">Airbus</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/air-france" hreflang="nl">Air France</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/af447" hreflang="nl">AF447</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/a340" hreflang="nl">A340</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/blog/labels/a330" hreflang="nl">A330</a></div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--default--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--node--story.html.twig * field--default--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--default--story.html.twig * field--default--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--default.html.twig * field--theme-ds-field-default.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * field--node--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--node--story.html.twig * field--comment-node-story.html.twig x field--comment.html.twig * field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> <section> <h2>Comments</h2> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1196" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1244578565"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363133683198286" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kasaka</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 10/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1196#comment-1196" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Interessante </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interessante analyse.</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1197" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1244632416"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.unexpected.be" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Unexpected</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 10/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1197#comment-1197" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Interessante uiteenzetting Jan, veel </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interessante uiteenzetting Jan, veel leerrijker dan wat de kranten ons vertellen. Ik kom terug :-)</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1198" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1244639357"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.joosten808.com/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jeroen</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 10/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1198#comment-1198" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Ik ben het met de vorige commentaren </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ik ben het met de vorige commentaren eens, inderdaad erg interessant om het zo te lezen. Zoveel mogelijkheden en oorzaken, het zorgt er echt voor dat je je afvraagt hoe het zo ver heeft kunnen komen. Ik ben benieuwd wat de uitkomst zal worden.Groeten vanaf een andere groep eilanden in de Pacific ;)</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1199" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1244669749"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 11/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1199#comment-1199" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Zeer interessant.Ik ben een grote week </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Zeer interessant.Ik ben een grote week later vanuit Brasilia naar Lissabon met een A330 gevlogen. Zeer comfortabel en modern toestel.Vraagje: denkt u dat een dergelijk ongeval met een Boeing, door de afwezigheid van geavanceerde elektronische boordinstrumenten, minder waarschijnlijk zou zijn geweest?</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1200" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1244836950"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/13689238299234341853" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zoé</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 13/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1200#comment-1200" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Bedankt voor de uiteenzetting in gewone </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Bedankt voor de uiteenzetting in gewone mensentaal. Het blijft verschrikkelijk nieuws vooral omdat ikzelf cabine crew geweest ben bij SABENA, een mens staat er al eens langer bij stil dan.PS vanuit Santa Barbara genieten we mee van jullie blog!Groetjes Evy, Bram en Zoe</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1201" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1244873562"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/13826625973744873915" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jan Ottenbourg</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 13/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1201#comment-1201" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">@ John: Boeing heeft evengoed </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ John: Boeing heeft evengoed "geavanceerde elektronische boordinstrumenten". Het enige verschil tussen beide is dat Airbus dit doorgetrokken heeft t.e.m. de eigenlijke vliegbesturing (geen directe kabel meer tussen stuur en rol/hoogte/richtingsroer). Dit schrik sommige mensen (Amerikaanse piloten) af. Ik vlieg al 10 jaar met Airbus A330/A340 zonder enig probleem!@Jeroen: Leuke blog van jullie. Hoe lang wonen jullie al in Hawaii?!@Zoë/Evy: Welke periode heb jij met Sabena gevlogen? Welk toestel/sector? Ik zat van 1995 tot 1998 op B737/Europa en daarna op A330/A340/lage afstand.Hoe vergaat het jullie in Santa Barbara?! 'k Zit in San Pedro op hotel (weer)...</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1202" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1244930096"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 14/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1202#comment-1202" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Mooi stuk Jan,Ik ben zelf 16 jaar en ik </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mooi stuk Jan,Ik ben zelf 16 jaar en ik hou me zeker bezig met de luchtvaart, ik werk op Rotterdam-Airport...en heb het vaak over met de piloten...Maarja, tot nu toe heb jij het het duidelijkst uitgelegd,Tony</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1203" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1245058444"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/11120025707630294256" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Henk Hinssen</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 15/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1203#comment-1203" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Interessant, leerrijk en verhelderend </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interessant, leerrijk en verhelderend ook voor mensen buiten de luchtvaart. Een prachtige website trouwens. Ikzelf ben van opleiding ingenieur (UGent1975) met specialisatie meet- en regeltechniek en was mijn hele loopbaan werkzaam bij een groot Amerikaans petrochemisch bedrijf verantwoordelijk voor de technologie selectie, het ontwerp en implementatie van de meet-, regel-, controle- en beveiligingsapparatuur voor petrochemische installaties, je zou het de cockpit met randapparatuur van deze industrie kunnen noemen. Deze industrie heeft te maken met ongevallen met grote consequenties maar ook met bijzonder duur kostenplaatje bij het stilvallen van een fabriek. Het stilvallen van een middelgrote chemische fabriek kost al gauw 1 M$ per dag. Met andere woorden de keuze en het ontwerp van bijvoorbeeld de snelheidregeling van een turbine wordt zowel door veiligheids- als bedrijfszekerheidscriteria bepaald. Ik heb de evolutie meegemaakt van de technologie van volledige controle van de boordoperator (de piloot van onze industrie) tot wat jullie de fly by wire technologie noemen. Uiteraard zijn daar enorm veel variaties.Ik zie veel gelijkenissen maar ook verschillen hoe wij tegen directe oorzaken van het gelijktijdig falen van redundante systemen zoals verschildruksensoren aankijken. Als ik je verhaal lees, zonder alle afkortingen daarom te kunnen plaatsen, zou ik mijn focus bij een onderzoek van zulk een ongeval niet alleen of hoofdzakelijk richten op het gelijktijdig uitvallen van de sensoren, maar evenzo, misschien meer op de regellogica, de beveiligingslogica, de alarmeringslogica en hoe de boordoperator kan en moet omgaan met abnormale proces- en falingssituaties (bij een combinatie van hoge stress en hoge complexiteit zien wij vaak een heel hoge kans op falen). Het zou me verwonderen indien het onderzoek hier ook niet dieper op in zou gaan...</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1204" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1245073274"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lorenzo</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 15/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1204#comment-1204" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Zeeer interessant en ik denk dat je het </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Zeeer interessant en ik denk dat je het wel eens bij het rechte eind zou kunnen hebben Jan. Ik heb veel geleerd van uit ene artikel. Als ik voortaan nog vlieg ga ik wel 1 ding doen: mijn gordel gedurende de hele vlucht aanhouden!</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1205" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1245323267"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.famsillevisinoostenrijk.web-log.nl" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">ineke</a> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 18/06/2009</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1205#comment-1205" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">Jammer dat de meeste mensen alleen de </a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Jammer dat de meeste mensen alleen de (slechte?) krantenberichten hierover lezen. En meestal staan de conclusies pas weken of maanden later op een verstopt plekje ergens achter in de krant.Maar dit is mooi duidelijk! Al is het natuurlijk nog geen conclusie, maar veronderstelling.</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'comment__comment_node_story__story' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * comment--comment-node-story--story.html.twig * comment--comment-node-story.html.twig x comment.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1760" class="js-comment"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1533980820"></mark> <footer> <p>Ingediend door <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'username' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Herman</span> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/user/templates/username.html.twig' --> op 11/07/2018</p> </footer> <div> <h3><a href="/blog/comment/1760#comment-1760" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="nl">U zat meteen zeer dicht bij…</a></h3> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'field' --> <!-- FILE NAME SUGGESTIONS: * field--comment--comment-body--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment--comment-body.html.twig * field--comment--comment-node-story.html.twig * field--comment-body.html.twig * field--text-long.html.twig x field.html.twig --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>U zat meteen zeer dicht bij de waarheid zoals gebleken is!</p> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/field/field.html.twig' --> </div> </article> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/custom/ottenbourgblog/templates/comment.html.twig' --> <!-- THEME DEBUG --> <!-- THEME HOOK: 'pager' --> <!-- BEGIN OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'themes/contrib/bootstrap/templates/system/pager.html.twig' --> <h2>Reactie toevoegen</h2> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderForm" arguments="0=node&amp;1=780&amp;2=comment_node_story&amp;3=comment_node_story" token="VlqyRzr8TSo7d4ngnwAOZZ0wcbKOhq24TkS9z-xWneo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </section> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/comment/templates/field--comment.html.twig' --> </div> </div> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'core/modules/layout_discovery/layouts/onecol/layout--onecol.html.twig' --> <!-- END OUTPUT from 'modules/contrib/ds/templates/ds-entity-view.html.twig' --> Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:54:00 +0000 Jan Ottenbourg 780 at http://www.ottenbourg.com/blog